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Search terms answered #4: “dbt therapy contract legally binding?”

Posted by talesofacrazypsychmajor on September 24, 2011

This is part of a series where I answer interesting questions that come up in my search terms, that are not already clearly answered in this blog.

“dbt therapy contract legally binding?”

DBT contracts can vary in content but a year long commitment agreement is a very common component.

Short answer is no. It’s really more of a social contract or a promise. Same applies for any of the “self-harm” or “no-suicide” contracts.
I’m not a lawyer so I can’t speak to all the details of why it would be legally unenforceable. My understanding though is that a breach of (a real) contract is a civil issue, so monetary compensation would be what was at stake if one party broke the contract. Imagine if any other medical professional tried to do something similar. Can you picture an Oncologist telling their patient that Chemo is a really taxing process and they want to be sure of a patient’s commitment before beginning so they need to sign a contract? No. And that Oncologist certainly would not bring a patient to court (seeking monetary damages) for changing treatment options if they decided some other route was a better idea.

Your treatment is your own to control. Provided you are not in some type of court ordered (or inpatient involuntary) treatment you always have the right to refuse to do anything at any time.

I hate these contracts. Whenever people have presented me with them it’s always been them telling me to sign it or not get treatment with them. I feel bullied by it. Especially in the case of something like a contract to stay in therapy, I don’t think it is fair to always assume that leaving the therapy is a symptom of the problem. Some therapies or practitioners are not a good fit for some people.

Here’s my question for you readers: Is there anyone out there who feels a contract in therapy really helped them in the long run? Did it help you stick things out, in an ultimately helpful treatment, at a time when you were having doubts? Or was it coercive and damaging to add guilt about breaking a “contract” into the already difficult decision to change treatment?

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Do I need to rethink my feelings about DBT?

Posted by talesofacrazypsychmajor on June 23, 2011

I don’t usually post links to other articles here. That’s generally not my style. And judging from the content of this one, it’s probably going to get posted many other places.
I just have to share some of my reactions somewhere.

Here is the article
You may need to make a free NYT account to be able to read it.
tldr version: Marsha Linehan reveals her personal history of self-injury

DBT was not helpful for me. With other therapy types that have not helped I never really felt anger towards the big names that created it. I don’t have strong feelings towards Aaron Beck as a person even though there are some complex emotions going on for me about CBT. Things have been different with Linehan though.

Her name has been all over my experience of the therapy. When I was in DBT I worked in her workbook, which I pursed a copy of. In hospitals when DBT was shoved down my throat I used xeroxes of the same workbook.

After I quit DBT my (non DBT) therapist pressured me to take home DVDs of Linehan’s to watch. If I refused to continue the DBT therapy, she thought maybe the DVDs would help. They just made me angrier. I have pages of typed notes picking apart every detail of those DVDs. Some of them were obnoxious and irrelevant such as my criticisms of the lighting quality. Mostly I just felt that Linehan just didn’t get it. Combined with later viewings of youtube clips of her and videos of her I saw in school, I’ve developed a view of her as cold, mean and out of touch. The cultish language of DBT did nothing either to endear her towards me either. That she could possibly have a personal history of these problems was not something that ever would have occurred to me.

A lot of my anger towards this therapy, that was repeatedly forced upon me, became directed at her. She created this overhyped therapy that no one will believe is ineffective for me.

This article really turns a lot of my feelings upsidedown. I guess she’s not quite as out of touch as I thought. Some of these comments she made that seemed cruel make me think more now that she’s using humor as a way to deal with some fo these things.

I am not going to become a hardcore DBT advocate, but it does make me feel its worth a little more examination. Not so much as a treatment for myself (I’ve long ago ruled out the possibility of it being effective for me and strongly believe anyone who treats any therapy as a panacea is delusional), but in terms of general professional knowledge it could be useful. I still have theoretical objections and think DBT is backwards (behaviors should not be the first issue address with in a therapy, IMHO), but this gives it a little more credibility.

This news is certainly going to take over my therapy session today.

I’m still processing my thoughts about this. I don’t usually like to post here without digesting thoughts more, but I wanted to share while it was still fresh news. Feel free to add your thoughts on the matter.

Edit:
I walked into therapy and said “Hey, did you read the NYT today?”
S.M. replied “I haven’t finished reading it yet, but I bet you want to talk about the Linehan article”
He’s got me figured out.

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Thanks

Posted by talesofacrazypsychmajor on April 8, 2011

Thanks everyone who commented with support on my last post.
Just typing things out sorted some stuff out in my mind and made everything feel a bit more organized and less overwhelming so I started feeling better after writing it and from reading comments.

I’ve had a number of instances now in the past few months where I made an impulsive post here that I later deleted. I really want this blog to be less about in the moment freaking out and instead more looking at things about myself with some emotional distance.
Since I’ve had some instances where those messy emotion things have bled over into this blog they clearly are lacking a good place to go. Isn’t compartmentalization great? I get really jumpy about more ‘this is what is going on right now’ posts, because I think they make me more identifiable.

Would people be interested if I started a vent-y whine-y emotional blog that is password protected? I think I will also use it to tell about some things I’ve had to omit from here because I didn’t feel there was a sufficient way to disguise them to protect my privacy. There are a number of posts here where I had to leave out layers of complexity, because of my privacy concerns.
This new blog won’t replace this one, it’ll just cover a different area.
If so comment and I’ll make one and email you the link/pw.

edit: So the new blog is made. I’ve been sending out emails with the url and password to people who have commented.

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Thought River

Posted by talesofacrazypsychmajor on March 31, 2011

I’m having a rough time.
I’m sorry I’m not able to be as articulate when I’m very upset.
Here is my stream of consciousness.

High school English teachers used to get angry with me for writing in this disjointed way.
In my freshman year of college a prof told me my notes read like poetry.
I hate transition sentences and formal paragraphs.
Figure the transitions out on your own.

I don’t deal well with uncertainty
So many thing are up in the air right now.
I don’t know where anything will land.
I made an urgent appointment on Monday to see #27
and then saw him again at my regularly scheduled Tuesday appointment.
I need more support that that, but I just can’t travel all the way there very easily
It’s very time consuming.
I have so many commits and have done so little for them.
I’m using being busy as an excuse for falling behind on everything.
Oh sorry I’m overwhelmed doing X so I couldn’t get to Y.
In reality I’ve just been crying in my apartment.
My most productivity I’ve done the past week is writing two emails and scanning something.
I’ve gone out and physically been present at places I needed to be, but am not there mentally.
I actually went out yesterday and did something social.
A major rarity for me.
An old friend, from before I was crazy.
And I’ve been crazy for a long time.
She is is town for a bit and I insisted upon seeing her.
She doesn’t know my crap.
And she is going through some of her own crap, so I was able to forget some of my crap while taking a supportive role.
I had a good time.
Then came home and remembered everything.
Took some Klonopin and knocked myself out to sleep.
I need more support than I have access to right now.
I wish I could have therapy every day.
There’s just no way for me to get there.
All these ideas running though my head.

Maybe I could go to the school counseling dept and just only share certain information.
To supplement my real therapy.
Nothing about suicidal ideation or cutting.
Not about the bottle of suicide vodka in my cupboard
And the Klonopin I’m hoarding
That I’m saving for a synergistic drug interaction
There’s suicide grapefruit juice too, but I got thirsty and drank it as regular grapefruit juice.

Just talk about the terrifying uncertainty of not knowing anything about how my life will look in 2 months.
That’s socially acceptable.
I’m allowed to be stressed about this.
My stress is just out of proportion.
But it’s too complicated to hide bits in therapy
I did that with #24.
I refused to tell her where I worked or when to school
It got a bit ridiculous.

I easily meet the major depressive episode criteria
But what does that mater?
It’s all arbitrary
When is it dysthmyia and when major depression?
The DSM makes it seem clear, but it’s complicated

I laugh in classes.
I seem like I have a plan.
I’m taking it in stride.
I just fake it for a few hours.

All the therapists I see every day.
Not as a patient but as a colleague and student.
I hear them talk about self-injury and borderlines
Representing those with serious psychopathology.
No idea I’m there among them.
Well maybe I’m not borderline.
It all depends who you ask.
I feel offended personally when by derogatory statements against borderlines
Even if I am not a part of this group, I am perceived as a part of it.
The statement is directed at me.
Even if it is is not about me.

I did everything right academically.
Except for being crazy.
What else could I have done?
But nothing I’ve done matters.
I’m still in limbo.

The states are higher for me.
It’s not about a job and a career.
It’s about when I will kill myself.
My desperation is high.
I want it to work.
in that sense I want to live.
But I can’t stand the uncertainty.
I convince myself it won’t work and I should skip the waiting.
It was the same in high school.
I got into my first choice school.
Everything worked out.
Stakes are raised here.
I need to get back to seeing S.M. for therapy.
It’s not just a job, any job.
It’s a job where I can be happy.

If I have the time i would go to a partial program in the day
That’s the level of support I need
Not a hospital
Hospitals babysit
I’m not going to kill myself right now
But I need to keep things together so it stays that way
I’m envious of the UK bloggers who have access to this greater range of support services.
I just have therapy.
He’s (27) out of the office until Friday.
I didn’t listen to the whole voicemail message informing me
I hung up when I realized I’d have to wait.
He’s not that warm an supportive though.
More expressive on the expressive supportive continuum.
I need supportive now.

Crisis lines are only so helpful.
Awkward stranger pretending to care
Some better than others.
Sometimes i can ignore the awkwardness.
I hate giving background information.
I just want to pick up where I left off.
There’s a nice local crisis line, that allows that.
But their hours are few.
I always seem to freak out when they are closed.
You can leave a voicemail, they say.
But I’m scared to.

The national hotline.
The one that google recommends when you search about suicide methods
They connect to a random line.
Which is nice because calling specific ones I end up on hold.
Sometimes connected to ones where I’m not the target population.
Sometimes I get one where they say “Emergency Services this is ___”
I hang up, terrified.
I don’t want emergency services.
I just want to talk.
Don’t they realize they’re scaring people off with their greeting?

At the end of a crisis line call.
They have some time limit.
And they say call again anytime.
But I just feel rejected.
As they’ve kicked me off in the nicest way.

I have to go pretend to have my act together for the rest of the day.
Lots of talking and smiling and such.
So I’ll end this stream of consciousness post.
I usually put these in a more private blog, but I don’t think anyone reads that one.
Those are usually typo filled.
I tried to spell properly.
Some extra effort.
Just for you folks.
I’ll talk to you later.
And hope you’ll excuse the interruption from my typical posting format.

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Why I persist in going to therapy after so many failures

Posted by talesofacrazypsychmajor on March 20, 2011

I made this as a reply to someone’s comment in the last post, but figured I would also post it as its own entry.
Diagram of therapy

You can see I have a bit of a bias towards insight oriented therapies.

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Why do I go through so many therapists?

Posted by talesofacrazypsychmajor on March 6, 2011

It doesn’t take long of reading this blog for someone to notice that I’ve met with a lot of therapists.

I’ve made reference to reasons why I think this is the case, but never organized all those thoughts together.
This is certainly something where if I fully understood it that maybe it would no longer be a problem, but I’ll share with you my current understanding of it.

Looking at the whole picture, it’s obvious to me that I have an avoidant attachment style. That’s the common thread running through this.
I should be clear though that an avoidant attachment style is not the same thing as avoidant personality disorder. Some have tried to suggest I have this, but I really don’t think it describes me well. My problem is with intimacy in particular. There are a lot of things aside from intimacy, which I find anxiety provoking, but I tend to push through that anxiety and continue to do those things.
I find close relationships threatening. People who are too friendly feel to me like their friendliness is an assault. I feel like these people like me more than I like them and that they won’t give me the space I need. To clarify I am referring to primarily to platonic relationships here.

My concern about them not respecting my need for space it probably partially a projection about my relationship with my mother, but it’s also been further reinforced by others who couldn’t take a hint to back off. My mom has very little respect for interpersonal boundaries. I’m an introvert and she’s more extroverted. She’s the very needy kind of extrovert, the kind who can’t fathom that other people might feel drained by interactions while she feels energized by them. My dad would step in sometimes and tell her to give me some space. She’d agree to do that, but 5 minutes later she’d be back to the same thing. I’d have to physically hide places (like closets) to escape her destructive consuming affection. For her expressing love is not a two person interaction. It is about her and her insecurities. There is a general consensus among my family that she has some type of undiagnosed learning disability that impairs her ability to recognize that she is doing something interpersonally destructive.

Now a days I can just hang up the phone on her. I know that sounds awful. But calmly telling her to give me space does not work. And after I hang up I have to turn off the phone because she will call over and over. My email inbox gets flooded with one line messages.

A couple of years ago I was staying with my parents for a bit. My mom had bought a new computer, which I set up for her. She’s very computer illiterate. She spent a day pestering me with questions about it (very basic things like installing word). I helped at first, but finally told her to use the Apple support number, since we’d paid for it already. The Applecare person was less tolerant than I was and actually hung up on her. I wanted just a couple of uninterrupted hours to myself after playing tech support all day, so I locked myself in a room. I barricaded the door, because locks in that house are easy to pick. My plan didn’t work out as well as I’d hoped. Within about 5 minutes my mom was banging on the door demanding I open it. It’s important to note that there was no reason she needed to be in this room. If I hadn’t been in there she’d not have wanted to get in.
She quickly escalated to threats that she was going to kill me and alternated between death threats and threats of calling the police. I don’t really think she would kill me, but in the moment I wasn’t about to open the door for someone threatening to kill me, even if they were not serious. And if the police had come I think they’d have understood why I’d not opened the door. And what crime could I be charged with for locking myself in a room in the house I lived in?
I was having a panic attack and wanted to escape out a window, but I was in my pajamas and had no shoes. My dad was on a business trip and called demanding that I open the door. It turned out that he was simultaneously telling my mom that if she called the police he would divorce her. He was on no ones side. Eventually I was bullied by my dad into opening the door.
Thankfully the next day was the day I was scheduled to move into my apartment.

That got a bit sidetracked, but I think it illustrates a reason why I find close relationships threatening. My mom’s affection is very aggressive. I’ve never felt unloved and my parents do care about me, but the way my mom shows this is very overwhelming.

The problem with looking at my therapy problem as an attachment problem only, is that when I look back at each therapist I’ve left individually I can think of good reasons why I left each. Globally there’s a picture of attachment style that emerges, but individually it looks different.

There’s also the issue of how I’ve been treated in prior therapy, which puts me very on guard about protecting myself from bad therapy.
It wasn’t until therapist #4 that I actually started using therapy for myself. Before it was something that I was forced into by my parents. I started seeing her because my parents felt I didn’t have enough insight about my ADD. The therapy eventually evolved into a place where I talked more about anxiety and depression, but it took nearly 2 years of more superficial conversation to get to that. The therapy was helpful in some ways, but I hit a point where I reached the limit of how much she could help. She became very pushy about some things. I agreed to start seeing #5 for DBT in addition to seeing her, but that didn’t work out when he demanded I phone him before I self injure if I wanted to meet with him. The theme between the two of them was that I received ultimatums where I either had to do something they wanted or I could no longer meet with them. After I quit DBT, #4 gave me a list of things to pick from. I had to do one or she would no longer meet with me. I picked that I would have my primary care doctor look at my cuts regularly. I felt very bullied by this.
I did leave for a little bit and met with #6. #6 was so much worse that I came running back.
The final straw with #4 was when she told me she wanted me to do DBT all summer instead of the summer job I’d just been hired for. I went to the job instead and am very glad that I did, because it was a wonderful experience.
In a way my tendency to leave therapists easily, is a protection against this sort of bullying. If a therapist tries to threaten that I should do something or else leave, well then I’ll just leave. I’m sick of being pushed around. Threatening to withhold therapy is not a useful form of treatment.
An unintentional outcome of these experiences is that I’ve become a lot more assertive in my daily life. I will stand up for myself.

Then there was #7 who got me kicked out of my school and #8 who I met for medication who told the doctors at my first hospitalizations to lie to me about my diagnosis.
This whole experience made everything more difficult. Not only could therapy be something that might not help, but it also became something that could potentially destroy my career and life goals. While a therapist might believe their intentions are pure, ultimately I am the only one who can protect myself and I need to be on guard to make sure the helpers don’t hurt me.

I’ll skip #9 and #10 mostly because that therapy was for the purpose of getting a note to allow my re-admittance to school.

Then there’s #11. S.M. My favorite one. He’s the only one I left on good terms with. There’s some idealization going on in there. I’ve tried to hide it from him, but by now he knows. I don’t like anyone seeing if I care at all about them. I’m so used to feeling horrified by overwhelming expressions of affection, that I forget sometimes that in moderation people actually do appreciate being told they’re valued and needed. While I would feel threatened by being needed interpersonally (needed in a professional sense is fine) most people don’t feel like that.
I left because I transfered schools and the new one is far away. At the time I didn’t think finding a new therapist would be a big deal. I thought that all psychodynamic therapists were the same (I sure was wrong about that) and that all I needed was another psychodynamic therapist.
If I’d realized how much trouble I’d have finding someone else I would have put more effort into finding a school in that area. I do think though that there are ways in which I’ve grown, through this struggle that I might not have had I stayed with S.M. the past 3 years.
My idealization of S.M probably made sticking with a therapist harder. I thought for awhile that maybe these other therapists who didn’t work out were just the wrong kind of psychodynamic. I now realize that there is a huge amount of heterogeneity within any theoretical orientation. While I like the psychdynamic approach, it was probably things outside of the theory that made therapy with S.M. work.

Things are going okay right now with #27. I’ll wait and see what happens.

All of the factors mentioned here probably contribute to some of the difficulty I’ve had in finding a therapist. Explaining partially why I’ve seen 16 therapists in the past 3 years. There are probably others reasons I am not yet aware of. I know that because I’ve personally had so much trouble, that I am the common factor in this. It’s at least partially my own fault. There are certainly elements (systemic and therapist factors) outside of myself that also contribute as well.
Even though it seems that with each therapist I see they become a little more disposable, it is still devastating to me each time I leave one. That one or two hours a week is very important to me. This importance is part of why I need so badly to be sure I’m in a therapy that is getting it right. If therapy didn’t matter I’d just be content in something mediocre.

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Blurry

Posted by talesofacrazypsychmajor on February 16, 2011

Ever since I started talking to therapist #27 about how I’m looking for a job, he’d mention the same thing.

“You should look into the work Dr. X is doing.”

And I’d smile and say, “Sure I’ll look into that. Thanks for the tip.”
But I’d never write the name down. By the end of the session the name would be long forgotten. And besides I wouldn’t want to use the tip anyway.
I don’t want to get a job referral from my therapist. I haven’t reached that level of desperation yet. I’m so worried about privacy and boundaries, the last thing I want is a job I was refereed to by my therapist.

Imagine the interview, “How did you hear about this job?”
“Err.. Um.. Google?”

I applied to a number of jobs this weekend. One stood out. It matches my interests more than anything else I have applied to. It’s a bit of a stretch for me to get this one in particular, but I figured it was such a perfect match that I needed to try.

I mentioned this job application in therapy this week and described the job a little.

And #27 asked again, “Have you looked into the work Dr. X is doing yet?”

And then I realized Dr. X was the person I’d applied for that job with.

It’s not a huge deal. I probably won’t get the job. It’s a long shot. And even if I did I wouldn’t avoid it because of this. It’s too wonderful of an opprotunity.
I can’t keep things separate to the extent I want them to be. What’s the opposite of the mental health field? I should have decided to go into that.

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Degrees of Separation

Posted by talesofacrazypsychmajor on February 11, 2011

Two and a half years ago I participated in a research study. As you can imagine I wasn’t in the study as a healthy control. A small part of the study was recorded and I consented to that. At the time the field of psychology didn’t seem so small and incestuous. I wasn’t very worried about it, which really is out of character for me.

For the past year I’ve been stressed out a lot by the idea of that recording being out there. I went to a talk given by this researcher several months ago and avoided one of hers even further back than that. I hadn’t met her before, only a research assistant, but I worried about that recording. Had she seen it?

I debated back and forth about calling. If I called and withdrew my consent it could draw her attention to me. That could be worse than just leaving it and hoping it’s long forgotten.

Last week I heard some colleagues mention her name. I was surprised, because despite relative geographical closeness, her research is about as far away from what we do at my work as is possible for two areas within the same field. Turns out several of my colleagues are close friends with her.

As soon as I got home I dug through my file of consent forms to find the phone number of the lab where this recording was located and exact name of the study. The degrees of separation are now too few. I needed to call and have that recording destroyed.

It wasn’t until I found the consent form that I realized it was an audio recording, not a video recording. No one is going to recognize me from an audio recording. Relief.

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Protected: The very worst, frequently used measure of Self-Harm

Posted by talesofacrazypsychmajor on February 10, 2011

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Medical Hospitalization

Posted by talesofacrazypsychmajor on January 15, 2011

I promised awhile ago that I would write about my medical hospitalization. This happened after I’d already had 3 psychiatric hospitalizations, so it’s interesting to me the similarities and differences that occurred between the two types.

I experienced a couple of symptoms that came on suddenly, one which was very worrysome and one which I wasn’t too worried about, but was uncomfortable.
The less worrysome symptom started while I was at a place I volunteer at. I’m not very good at listening to when my body tells me to stop something. I kept telling myself I would push through, I didn’t have much longer before I was scheduled to leave. Then the more worrysome symptom appeared and I told the supervisor I wasn’t feeling well. I rested in the break room for a bit hoping I’d feel up to going back to working. A supervisor offered to drive me home, I turned her down. Instead I took public transport.

I called my primary care doctor for an urgent appointment. My doctor wasn’t available, but there was someone else who could see me almost immediately. I saw this doctor and she told me what she strongly suspected the problem was. It was something unpleasant, but at the level I was experiencing it, not life threatening and she expected the symptoms would pass. She told me she’d make a referral for me to see someone the next day to confirm the diagnosis.

I was supposed to get a phone call soon about the exact time and location of the referral.

I went to class. I have to be doing pretty poorly to miss class. The professor noticed before the class that I wasn’t looking great and she kept commenting on how pale I looked. I was very insistent that I wanted to stay even though I wasn’t feeling well (there was no evidence that any of my symptoms were anything contagious). It was a long class though, a lecture followed by a lab. I made it through everything but the final hour. My poor lab parter was pulling most of the weight. I gave up though, I was too miserable to stay, so I left to go home. The professor was understanding.

This is very different from how things are with my psychological problems. I also went to class the day of my first psych hospitalization. There was nothing visibly wrong with me other than that maybe I was possibly quieter than normal. I’d not have been able to excuse myself from the class explaining to the professor that I was experiencing a lot of suicidal ideation, like I explained to my other professor this time about my worrysome symptom.

I hadn’t gotten any call about the so-called urgent referral for the next day. This is pretty similar to how primary care doctors have also treated my psych referrals

I went home and tried to sleep. It didn’t work very well.
I was feeling a lot worse than I had when I’d seen the doctor earlier. I was very stressed, because I had work the next day and no information about a referral (My work that day was flexible enough that if I’d ducked out for an hour to see a doctor no one would have objected) and felt worse.

I called my parents, crying. I feel like I do that too often for someone my age. They kept telling me to go to the emergency room.
I really didn’t want to go. Even though I felt horrible I felt that since I had already seen a doctor that day, who felt my situation was not an emergency, it didn’t make sense for me to go to the emergency room.
I worried that I wasn’t ill enough to go there.
This is pretty similar to how I’ve felt about seeking help for psych emergencys. I go back and forth between, ‘things are pretty bad’ to ‘but I don’t want to bother anyone’.

I agreed to go to the emergency room. The closest emergency room to me is the hospital where my 3rd psych hospitalization was. Nothing went right in that hospitalization There was not a chance I was going there, so instead I took a cab to one a little bit further, but arguably more prestigious.

I told the triage nurse, what was going on. I told her about the diagnosis that the doctor I’d seen had mentioned and how the referral hadn’t come through. I also mentioned how much worse I felt since I’d seen that doctor. On the pain scale I said I was an 8.
I’m a little unclear about the pain scale (and it’s supposed to be so simple!) I had thought that it was based on 10 being the worst pain I can imagine. I’ve since been told by some that 10 is the worst pain you’ve experienced. If I’d answered saying it was the worst I’d experienced then it would have been a 10.
This step was pretty similar to how things worked with triage at a psych hospitalization.

Then I was sent to a little room with a lot of other patients. I’ve been to the emergency room a number of times in my life for things like broken fingers, a broken foot etc. This room reminded me of the types of rooms I’d waited in for those situations. It was the group of people who could theoretically wait forever in the room without dying. I waited for about 3 hours in there. I called my parents again, crying. I told them I was going to leave, because based on how I’d been triaged they didn’t seem to think my problem was that serious. I was in a lot of pain and I figured that if I was in a lot of pain and the doctors didn’t feel it was an emergency then I may as well be in that pain at home in my comfortable bed.
I sat around for a little bit and finally asked the nurse if maybe there was a cot somewhere I could lay down on because, my pain was so much worse when sitting upright.

This is very different from my psych emergency room experiences. I’ve gotten a bed right away. Sometimes that bed was just a bed in a hallway, but it’s still a bed. Still a ton of waiting to be seen by a doctor, but they’d never put a psych patient in a room with a lot of other medical patients and only one nurse. In the psych emergency room I’ve always had a “sitter” watching me too. Here I don’t think the nurse even noticed my sobbing phone call. If I’d walked out I doubt anyone would have noticed. At a psych emergency room though you can’t just change your mind. You’re stuck there at least until you see a doctor.

I was seen shortly after the nurse found me a cot set up in the hallway. I’m not sure if this was because I’d made her more aware of how awful I felt or if it was just because I’d already waited 3 hours.

I was wheeled into another room and saw a lot of doctors and had a lot of tests. The original diagnosis the doctor told me at my primary care office was wrong and sent the ER docs on a bit of a wild goose chase while they ruled it out.
This period of time was very scary, because I didn’t know what was wrong with me. As soon as I saw a doctor I was given pain medication, so at least I was more comfortable physically, but I still didn’t know what was wrong. Many diagnoses were thrown at me as possibilities. Some of these were very serious chronic illnesses.
This is very different from a psychiatric hospitalization, where differential diagnoses are rarely discussed and it’s hard enough to even get the doctors to admit the diagnosis they’ve selected for you until maybe the end of the hospitalization. Here, diagnoses were discussed right off the bat and I was informed of reasons why they considered them.
I also saw a lot more doctors here than at any of my psychiatric hospitalizations. The most I’ve ever seen at a psychiatric emergency visit is 2 doctors and that’s only because there was a shift change.
Here I saw 4 or 5. There wasn’t a lot of waiting time in between either. Once I was past that initial 3 hour wait I had a steady stream of events, from doctors, to nurses to tests.

In my psychiatric emergency visits I’ve sat in a room by myself for nearly 24 hours with no form of entertainment, because they take your possessions, and maybe 20 minutes total of conversation with anyone working at the hospital. And this was at a supposed top tier hospital.
Here I had come prepared and brought my laptop. I was able to use the hospital’s wireless during the chunks of time where nothing was happening.

For medication they put an IV in, which is different from my psychiatric hospitalizations where my medication was taken orally.
For one of the tests I needed to drink contrast fluid. I have a bit of an oversensitive gag reflex and tend to vomit a bit too easily.
I vomited right as a doctor was walking in, because I was trying to drink the fluid. The vomiting wasn’t a symptom of the immediate problem. This is something I deal with regularly when trying to take medications. Nonetheless a nurse rushed over and gave me a medication through the IV that she said would help with the nausea.
It’s a scary thing for a person to so easily put a drug into my body, before I can even realize what is happening. I didn’t have a huge objection to it, but if she’d asked me first I’d have told her it was not necessary.

In a psych hospitalization this would be a lot harder to do. Worst case they could give someone a shot (this has never happened to me), but it would be a bigger deal to do and there are more safeties in place when giving something like this without explicit permission from the patient. It’s not done so casually.
During the course of this hospitalization I received all sorts of medications and I have no clue what any of them are, except for the morphine. In a psychiatric hospitalization I know everything I take and refuse anything without significant research ahead of time.

I contacted my work to let them know I was in the hospital. I don’t know what I would do if this had been a psychiatric hospitalization. I’d have probably had to lie. I wouldn’t feel comfortable telling them about that even though my work is in the mental health field. Actually, especially since my work is in the mental health field.
No one was going to judge me for this transient medical problem, but a long term mental health problem is not safe from judgment.

Eventually a diagnosis was found and treatment was planned. I was admitted to the hospital and moved from the ER. I felt a lot better knowing what was wrong.

The problem was something that was life threatening if left untreated, but not a big deal at all with access to modern medical care.

There is a part of me that mourns an opprotunity wasted here. I always have some level of suicidality and have at times wished I’d come down with something life threatening so I could die passively by just avoiding treatment. At the time of this illness, I was doing very well psychologically, but I wonder if I’d have stayed home instead of going to the ER if I’d been more depressed.
The uncertainty though is what drove me to the ER. Not knowing what was wrong freaked me out.
If I’d been more depressed and at home and known with high certainty the diagnosis (If I’d even glanced at Doctor Google I’d probably have come up with this diagnosis) I can’t say for sure that I’d have sought treatment.

Several years ago I once saw a primary care doctor at this hospital. I needed a psychiatrist referral (Don’t I always?) and could only see one at her hospital by going through a primary care doctor first.
I can’t remember exactly what I said, but I believe I gave a fairly thorough psychiatric history to her.

All through this medical hospitalization they had access to those records. I was really pleased with how that knowledge was handled. It probably helped that the records were old, but I don’t feel like I was treated at all like a person with a psych history.
I was asked 1 time how my mood was and once it was clear that I was fine, it was never asked again.

They also knew my current medications, both of which are psych medications. I was asked a number of times if I needed either of them while I was there, but I think that was more due to confusion because it’s unusual for someone to take Ritalin only some days like I do.

I was relieved that my self-injury wasn’t discovered/discussed in the medical hospitalization (It’s probably in the record from the primary care doctor). It helped that I had no fresh injuries. If anyone noticed the scars no one said anything. I was terrified of having a psych consult sent to me.

Everyone was so much more accessible than when I’ve had psychiatric hospitalizations. I had a button to call the nurse. In psychiatric hospitalizations I might walk around looking for a nurse and knock on the nurses station door to be told someone would get to me eventually. Unless it was a huge emergency, anything could wait. With the medical hospitalization, getting help when I needed it was easy.

In my hospital room I had a roommate. Unlike in a psych hospitalization, I have not a clue what she looked like. There was a curtain between us. All I know is that she was an elderly woman and that she had been there for awhile.
She was very disoriented and spent the night talking to herself.
While that might seem like it would be similar to a psychiatric hospitalization, it really wasn’t. In my hospitalizations someone that disoriented was usually given a single room instead of a double.

The largest difference between the two types of hospitalizations was length of stay. For the medical hospitalization I was there two days, counting my time in the ER. That’s shorter than the time you can be held involuntarily without a court order for a psychiatric hospitalization!

My shortest psychiatric hospitalization was one week long. They wanted to keep me longer, but I signed one of the forms requesting they either release me or get a court order. They realized they couldn’t pull off the court order so they backed down and released me.

After two days of the medical hospitalization I was very ready to get out of there and they were very ready to kick me out, so we were all on the same page.
I did spend a week at home recovering more, but at that point the worst was over. I just slept a lot.

Follow-up was also different. I’ve never had a psychiatric hospital discharge plan that didn’t fall apart within a couple of days of leaving. Then I’m left with no one to call and zero follow-up.

With the medical hospitalization they gave me an appointment at the hospital the following week and I could have continued to go to follow-up weekly as long as I felt necessary. Personally, the one follow up was all I needed. I was even able to call a number they gave me for when I had a question or ran into an issue about the treatment plan.

I’m all better now. It was an interesting experience to have a medical hospitalization after all of the psych ones.

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